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Jung: He is to think that his is a hard life when, after a day of work, he must still labor over such things. This is a burden imposed upon him by his unconscious, but he must not mix up the products thus created with art. Patients could not respond to certain tests where pain entered in, and when I asked why they could not respond to the stimulus word, they always said they did not know why, but when they said this it was always in a peculiar, artificial manner. I said to myself that this must be the thing that Freud described as repression.

Practically all the mechanisms of repression became clear in my experiments. As to the content of the repression, I could not agree with Freud. In those days he was speaking only of sexual trauma and shocks to explain the repression. I had had then considerable experience with cases of neurosis in which sexual things were of quite secondary importance compared with the role played by social adaptation.

The case of the mediumistic girl, for example, was one such.

In she underwent Jungian analysis in London, which she found helpful in understanding her prison work, and went to Zurich in It has been a great and wonderful experience. I am with Jung whose theories I daresay you know are not those of Freud, and far larger. A set of doctors, English and American, have been with him all the time and it has been very interesting.

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Lecture 31 Dr. Jung: It must not be thought that the task of getting a proper understanding of Freud, or, I should rather say, the task of getting him properly placed in my life, was an easy one for me.


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At that time I was planning an academic career and was about to complete a work that would advance me in the university. One time while I was in my laboratory, it flashed into my mind that Freud had actually elaborated a theory which would explain my experiments. However, I saw at once that there was an element of lying involved which I did not propose to go in for. So I openly took up the cudgels for Freud and fought for him in the subsequent congresses. There came a certain lecturer to one of these, and gave an explanation of the neuroses entirely ignoring Freud.

Jung became a privatdocent in Zurich University in ibid. Jung Speaking: Interviews and Encounters, ed. William McGuire and R. Of course I felt that if I had to get an academic future at such a price, it could be damned, and I went on writing about Freud. Freud had published thirteen cases of hysteria,6 all of which were reported as the result of sexual violation. Later, when I met Freud, he said that about some of these cases, at least, he had been fooled.

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One of them, for instance, was of a girl who said that when she was four years old she had been violated by her father. Subsequent investigation brought out the fact that others in the series were also falsifications, but he would not retract, it having been his policy always to let things stand as he originally presented them.

There is then a certain untrustworthiness about all these earlier cases. Thus again, the famous first case that he had with Breuer,7 which has been so much spoken about as an example of a brilliant therapeutic success, was in reality nothing of the kind. Jung cited the Studies on Hysteria as early as ; see CW 1, n. On the case of Anna O. Olson in collaboration with X. Callahan and the author New York: Routledge, This, then, was no cure at all in the sense in which it was originally presented, and yet it was a very interesting case, so interesting that there was no need to claim for it something that did not happen.

But all of these things I did not know at that time. Besides my experiments, I was working with many cases of insanity, particularly with dementia praecox. It was only among the nurses that any psychological interest in the patients could be found, and among them there were some very shrewd guesses offered as to the conditions presented; but the doctors knew none of this.

This old patient could not talk, and could only eat liquid food which she took with her fingers with a peculiar shovelling movement, so that it sometimes took her two hours to get down a cup of food. When she was not feeding herself, she was making most peculiar movements with her hands and arms. She was regularly presented in clinic as an old case of dementia praecox, catatonic form. It seemed to me perfect nonsense to dispose of these extraordinary movements in that way.

This case and its effect on me were typical of my whole reaction to psychiatry.

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For six months I was struggling desperately to find myself in it, and was all the time more and more baffled. I was deeply humiliated to see that my chief11 and my colleagues seemed to feel sure of themselves, and that it was only I who was drifting helplessly. My failure to understand gave me such feelings of inferiority that I could not bear to go out of the hospital. I therefore stayed in all the time and gave myself up to the study of my cases. Early shoemakers held the shoe between their knees and pulled the thread through with movements exactly like the ones the old woman used to make.

One can still see them doing it in certain primitive places. Some time after this the patient died. Then her brother three years older than herself turned up. He told me she had been in love with a shoemaker, but for some reason the man did not want to marry her, and that she had gone insane.

She had kept alive the vision of him with those movements. This was my first inkling of the psychogenesis of dementia praecox.


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Then I kept careful watch over the cases and noted the psychogenetic factors. This is the origin of The Psychology of Dementia Praecox.

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I did not meet with much sympathy for my ideas. In fact, my colleagues laughed at me. It was another example of the difficulty felt by certain people when asked to consider a new idea. In I worked out very carefully a case of dementia praecox. But this patient made a great impression on me. She came from the old part of Zurich where the streets are narrow and dirty, and where she not only was born in misery, but grew up in it likewise. Her sister was a prostitute, her father a drinker. I discovered further, to my astonishment and bewilderment, that the ideas of megalomania and those of depreciation came of one and the same source.

The unconscious was only an urge and could not display a conflict within itself. Later cases corroborated my findings. For example, I had the case of a very intelligent lawyer who was suffering from paranoia. In these cases there is just one idea about which they are insane, namely persecution; otherwise they are adapted to reality. The case develops somewhat as follows: A man thinks he notices people talking about him; then he asks himself why, and answers it by saying that he must be someone important whom other people want to crush.

Little by little he finds he is a Messiah who must be annihilated.

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The man of whom I am speaking was dangerous in that he had attempted one murder, and when he was free attempted another. He had held an important political position, and one could talk to him. He hated the doctors and spent his time cursing them. This moment came after I had worked with him three hours. When he came to again, he was in his old state of depreciation. The depreciation is produced as compensation to the megalomania. I insist on this point so much because it is back of the Yea and Nay in the unconscious; in other words, the unconscious contains the pairs of opposites.

Through this book on dementia praecox I came to Freud. He was the first man of real importance I had seen; no one else could compare with him. I found him extremely shrewd, intelligent, and altogether remarkable. But my first impressions of him were somewhat confused; I could not quite make him out. I found him, though, absolutely serious about his sex theory, and in his attitude there was nothing trivial to be found. It made a great impression on me, but still I had grave doubts. I told him this, and whenever I did, he always said it was because I had not had enough experience. It was a fact that in those days I had not had enough experience upon which to form a critique.

I could see that this sexual theory was enormously important to Freud, both personally and philosophically, but I could not make out whether it came from a personal bias or not, so I went away with a doubt in my mind about the whole situation. Another impression I got in connection with this seriousness of Freud with respect to his theory of sexuality was this: He invariably sneered at spirituality as being nothing but repressed sexuality, and so I said if one were committed fully to the logic of that position, then one must say that our whole civilization is farcical, nothing but a morbid creation due to repressed sexuality.

A third impression of those days involves things that became clear to me only much later, things that I thought out fully only after our friendship was gone. It was like the Indians talking of the sun with tears in their eyes. Jung and his wife first visited the Freuds, in Vienna, on March 3, ibid. One might say Freud consists of bitterness, every word being loaded with it. The explanation seems to me to be this: Freud, for all his repudiation of spirituality, has in reality a mystical attitude toward sexuality. Now I think sexuality is a double concept to him, on the one side the mystical element, on the other mere sexuality, but the latter is the only thing that comes out in his terminology because he will not admit he has the other side.

That he has the other side, I think, is obvious from the way he showed his emotions.